if you walked up to any jw and said "i just spoke to satan" they would think you lost your mind.
while that reaction makes perfect sense in the real world, in wt land it doesn't add up.
here's why i say this -jw's are supposed to believe the following:.
Vidiot
The cult is too complex for it not to be purposeful deception. When GB 3.0 take over, then it won't be purposeful deception anymore, it will really be blind leading the blind. That is not the case right now. The very clear sighted GB are leading the blind.
christ, my mind feels f***ed.
there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?
cult?
Christ, my mind feels f***ed. There is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (Religion? Cult?), its taking so long to process everything. The "what ifs" grate at me the most.
Right now i'm going to either ditch it all at once, and lose everything i love, or stick with it and have a strategy.
Lost for words right now. Don't know what to do.
im not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.
it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.
the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.
Good Job.
Here's to hoping this gets good press coverage.
so i already made an introductory thread where i said hello and mentioned my feelings toward 2034 being the wts new end date.. we get the year 2034 from matt 24:37 & luke 17:26. the wt commented on the "days of noah" in a qfr article 2010 12/15.
where its stated: "it is logical, therefore, to conclude that genesis 6:3 expresses gods resolve to end the corrupt system of things on earth.
jehovah issued a judicial decree to do so in 120 years, though noah was not yet aware of that.
When does "soon" actually become "not so soon". Its been "soon" for 130 + years ffs
I also think they will downplay 144,000 teaching in the run up to 2034, starting first with with the removal of "partakers" from the year book in the next 5-7 years. Then after 2034 "nu lite" about 144,000 being symbolic.
Heck, they might even start teaching Jesus was a symbolic character, the gospels being one big metaphor. The way the WTS talk about him now is not far from that idea...
And yes, this would sound quite mad if an outsider is looking in is reading this, but those of us that are "inn", realize crazy ideas like these in JW land are not as crazy as they sound.
so i already made an introductory thread where i said hello and mentioned my feelings toward 2034 being the wts new end date.. we get the year 2034 from matt 24:37 & luke 17:26. the wt commented on the "days of noah" in a qfr article 2010 12/15.
where its stated: "it is logical, therefore, to conclude that genesis 6:3 expresses gods resolve to end the corrupt system of things on earth.
jehovah issued a judicial decree to do so in 120 years, though noah was not yet aware of that.
So i already made an introductory thread where i said hello and mentioned my feelings toward 2034 being the WTS new end date.
We get the year 2034 from Matt 24:37 & Luke 17:26. The WT commented on the "days of Noah" in a QFR article 2010 12/15. where its stated: "It is logical, therefore, to conclude that Genesis 6:3 expresses God’s resolve to end the corrupt system of things on earth. Jehovah issued a judicial decree to do so in 120 years, though Noah was not yet aware of that. But why set a time limit? Why wait?"
The year 2034 is calculated from 1914 (WT belief of the beginning of Christs presence) + 120 years mentioned in the article above.
all i want is this: for us to be a family, to spend time together enjoying life.
i don't wish to debate about their beliefs when together.
they can remain jws for all i care.
This is a very tough situation, and every time i write a response, it sounds almost cocky and arrogant, so i delete it. So please don't take it that way. Its just my 2 cents.
Maybe go back, and say you found your faith and repent? But make them realize you are a busy person. Your dads an elder, so he would be more than happy to pull a few strings i would have thought.
That reply sounds so pretentious. God.
all i want is this: for us to be a family, to spend time together enjoying life.
i don't wish to debate about their beliefs when together.
they can remain jws for all i care.
Playing devils advocate here, but perhaps re-in-statement then fade could be an option? "technically" your in, and it sounds like your parents like technicalities...Don't know if this idea is endorsed on this site.
Just saying...
with hopefully a good deal of interest here in the conti appeal tomorrow (or later today, depending on where you are), i thought that on my ride home from work tonight i'd preview what to expect and what i think the key issues are for any who are interested.
i have had a busy few weeks and haven't had time to read everything, but i had some time to look at the appeal briefs during my work commute the past couple days.
it'll be interesting to see what develops out of the network news coverage of this case.
Given the fact recently that "Louche" was called to the stand but didn't turn up in a case not so dissimilar to this, shows that something is up. If the Judge is half decent he will be aware of this and could take it into consideration.
But as was mentioned, i wouldn't be surprised if WT wriggle out of this. If not partially.
i've always been a "spiritual" person.
i've been an avid bible reader since as early as i can remember.
i read the bible cover to cover for the first time when i was about 17 years old and have read it at least twice more since then.
Welcome
I believe that faith has nothing to do with adherence to a holy book, be it the Greek scriptures the Talmud the Koran etc.
We have free choice (as the WT always says) to pick and choose what we like and believe.
If we have faith in nothing we cease to exist.
so i decided to sign up after many years of lurking.
started researching after finding out about ray franz, which inevitably brought me to this site.. i'm still well and truly inn, but don't want to give any information out, i'm sure you guys know the reasons.. since "jay double you .
org" came online, there has been a definite sense of hysteria with everyone who is "inn", and i get a feeling it's going to get a whole lot crazier as the years press on.. one point i would like to raise is that i feel, without a doubt, that 2034 is going to be the new finish line.
A bum on a seat means absolutely nothing when i do not vote with my wallet. if there were 50 million bums on seats, and no one gave any money, it would collapse.
you can only pay for all those COs, bethalites etc for so long without money coming in.
Just my opinion.
Thought the user name sounded a bit edgy. I like it.
